White Men Don’t Like Black Women Says Who? Another Look

white-man-black-woman-embraceIn the first look at the concept of “white men don’t like black women”, the why of the phenomenon was discussed — what causes some to say and believe this idea, and what are their motives? Anecdotal evidence of many disagrees with the notion, but what about the actual numbers? Do they suggest, in fact, that white men in America do not like black women?

Recently, a reader named ALfie added a response to the original post, stating that yes, interracial marriage numbers would suggest that the claim that white men don’t black women has some truth to it:

Well it is true according  to statistics.
White men choice:
White women: 50000000, Asian women 529000, Other 488000, Black women 168000
Stats show black women are least chosen

Laying aside that these particular stats don’t account for the percentage of each group in the American population, these and similar stats are usually presented as undeniable evidence by proponents of the “white men don’t like black women” theory. Yet as obvious as some may believe it seems, numbers don’t talk — they don’t give any background information; they don’t tell us why.

Marriage Isn’t Simply Attraction

If marriage were just an issue of “man sees woman, man likes woman, man marries woman,” then those who believe white men don’t like black women based on interracial marriage numbers in the United States would, in general, be correct. Marriage, however, results from a variety of factors and influences. Absent strong opposing evidence, one can only conclude that these factors have as much to do, if not more, with the number of interracial marriages as does simple attraction.

Familiarity, Normality, and Approval

Outside of location, three external factors seem to strongly influence whether two people will date and eventually marry: familiarity, normality, and approval. As a whole, these elements aren’t encouraging of the marriage between black women and white men, and may even work against it.

  • Familiarity: How familiar are two people with each other; how well do they feel they know each other? Familiarity creates comfort and those who are familiar with each other are more likely to date and marry. White men and black women, in general, occupy vastly different locations and social environments, resulting in a lack of familiarity.
  • Normality: Is a certain pairing considered “good”, “normal”, or “usual” in the given surroundings? Would such a pairing be in contrast to others? White men and black women as a couple is seen less in both media and reality, leading to a lack of normality in a feedback loop.
  • Approval: What sort of reactions would dating provoke from family, close friends, and from others in the person’s surroundings? Would dating someone cause negative consequences, socially or financially? Studies and commentary exploring interracial relationships have shown that white men and black women alike express worries that interracial dating could bring about undesirable effects.

So, what is the verdict — do white men like black women or not? It’s doubtful that anyone could give an answer that would hold up to all scrutiny. Though one thing is certain: numbers don’t give any answers.

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113 thoughts on “White Men Don’t Like Black Women Says Who? Another Look

  1. Miss Alee,
    One of the things that ALfie’s quote of the statistics is missing is a timeline. It is not enough to get a snapshot of today, but to see a trend: over the last 5 year say, have the numbers gone up or down?

    Ultimately, I think that if you brown-skin girls find yourself receiving some pleasant attention from a peach-skin male, that speaks louder that any statistics …

  2. I’m just starting to explore the issues of interracial dating and it’s been interesting to me how much it is treated as a novelty within my social circles. It seems to be more linked to socio-economic status moreso than race in southern CA. For friendships, it is not even thought twice about but as soon as someone is dating another race (especially in the black realm), it becomes a huge interest to all around. Perhaps it is because there are so few blacks compared to asian or hispanics in the areas I’ve lived (Orange County and high income areas of San Diego). If I think about it too much, it irritates me because I know very hardworking and intelligent people of all racial backgrounds; the discrimination lines become much clearer when you realize the unspoken judgment that is placed on interracial dating. If only all people could be colorblind and think with the heart instead of the biased mind!

  3. Of course SOME white men like black women. I think people should stop asking that question. I am not sure that MOST white men are attracted to BW. But neither are most WM attracted to Asian women. Most white men prefer white women and there is nothing wrong with that.

    The real question for me is: “do white men like black women enough to marry them in large numbers?” The answer right now is no. There are enough attractive non-black women so that white men who don’t want to deal with the stress of an interracial marriage with a black woman don’t have to even consider dating a BW. It is all about the numbers; there is no shortage of non-black women, so why should the typical white man risk the loss or disapproval of family, friends, status etc.

    I have always preferred white men and I have never had trouble attracting them. White men still experience a lot of disapproval for wanting to be with black women. Many white women do not want their sons to marry black women and there are employers who will punish a white man for having an open relationship with a BW by not allowing him to move up the ladder.

    Because of the social hierarchy that is based on race and color, a BW, in general, is not considered a trophy. A white man marrying a BW is still seen as marrying down by many white people. And also, many white men don’t want half-black children.

    Times are changing, but very slowly. Any two people can “date” each other and interracial dating is not that difficult anymore. In the end, the only relationships between BW and WM that are important to me are the marital ones and that number is still very low and I expect it to remain low for the foreseeable future. Most women want to get married eventually, so an increase in dating between WM and BW does not mean much if those relationships don’t lead to marriage. As much as I hate to admit it, most WM are only looking for a sexual relationship with BW.

  4. I must be an atypical white male. For me, typically the darker a woman’s skin tone the more attractive to me she is. There are other factors in attraction, of course. I usually prefer the darker physical features.
    When it comes to eyes I prefer brown and green over blue and grey. Hair I have a preference towards black and brown over blonde and red.
    When it comes to what we as humans find attractive, is the most important factor that of genetics or socialization? Are our preferences inborn or do we prefer more of what is around us most or perhaps what we are taught to prefer?

  5. Froggie, I though Alee was fairly light lol.

    Anyhoo. Reminds me of this.

    ‘Black women all times of the night coming in and out of your house’ lol.

  6. the stats dont give answers but they reflect truth n reality.
    50 million white wives /168000 black wives
    thats 250 to 1 and a percentage of 0.05%-i.e. wm gives 0.05%
    thats not plenty love

  7. ms alee

    You stated that you wanted to know the trend over the last five years.

    2008 164000
    2009 19600
    2010 168000

    Between 2009 and 2010 there was a big drop of about 28000 white men black woman marriages.
    The biggest of all IR reductions.
    It is not while to mention that during the same time black men white women rose by 36000
    -354000 in 2009 to 390000 in 2010.
    also blacks married to others who are not whites rose by 4000 -128000 in 2009 to 132000 in 2010.

  8. Alfie, you give us two sets of statistics.

    50 million white wives /168000 black wives

    2008 164000
    2009 19600
    2010 168000

    The first one gives us a percentage of homogeneous vs mixed racial marriages which is useful to see the numbers in a numerical context. The second data set helps us to see the periodic change in mixed race marriages. These numbers are limited in scope and so they are limited in how much they will help us see if there are any trends, or if there is any difference between the rates of mixed marriages white men and black women as opposed to white men and other racial groups.

    An other addition to your statistical data sets would be in providing us with the percentage change of interracial marriages between white men and black women over a period of 10-20 years. That would allow us to see a greater picture of the general trends and give greater context to the numbers you have already provided for us.

    Thank you!

  9. One additional issue Alfie. Did you omit a 0 from the end of the 2009 data set? Such a trough in the statistical data seems rather improbable.

  10. “When it comes to what we as humans find attractive, is the most important factor that of genetics or socialization? Are our preferences inborn or do we prefer more of what is around us most or perhaps what we are taught to prefer?’

    Does it really make a practical difference?

    Even if white men are taught to not like BW’s physical appearance (which I don’t believe), the outcome is the same: they don’t pursue them for marriage in large numbers.

    We are social beings and it is not possible to separate nature from nurture most of the time. We can only speculate. Even people who are born and raised in predominantly black countries often prefer lighter skin, particularly in women. White dominance/oppression is often blamed, but i believe that most men are hardwired to prefer lighter skinned women, soft/longer hair and less extreme facial features, just as most men are hardwired to prefer women as sexual partners. However, a preference does not dictate choice nor does it make other options completely unappealing. A man can think WW are the most beautiful but still find some BW attractive.

    If most WM prefer “white” features, that does not mean that white men who prefer black features don’t exist. There are always exceptions to every “rule”.

    I personally believe that preferences for beauty are innate. I don’t see how it is possible to socialize someone to like or hate someone’s facial features. We can socialize people to have negative opinions about the behavior or culture of a particular group (who are identified by certain features), but when it comes to a person’s looks, you either like what you see or you don’t. No law or indoctrination can tell you that you don’t like what you see. I have known openly racist WM with whom I would never consider having a platonic friendship, let alone a romantic relationship, and yet I still thought they were handsome.

    When WM say that they don’t find BW attractive, I think BW should be mature enough to accept it without trying to disprove or explain it. There is a movement afoot whose purpose seems to be to prove that white men find BW just as (or more) attractive as non-black women and it is very embarrassing to me as a BW. If, for example, 90% of WM in a poll say that they don’t like black women’s features or bodies, why do we need to consider it racist and try to figure out why they are not attracted to BW? Black women are not entitled to be the object of white men’s desires or affection. White men have a right to not like BW and be free to express that without fear of being labeled a racist.

  11. Froggie, we are talking about numbers here.

    Love manifested in marriages,
    It appears wm love others more.

  12. Sherry,

    “Miss Alee,
    One of the things that ALfie’s quote of the statistics is missing is a timeline.”

    Yes, but it’s missing a lot more than that. I’ll get to his comment(s) shortly.

    “Ultimately, I think that if you brown-skin girls find yourself receiving some pleasant attention from a peach-skin male, that speaks louder that any statistics “

    Right. An individual experiences will always be more important than stats. I just wanted to discuss why you can’t breathe life into numbers, i.e. extrapolate anything from them. Especially when such conclusions are clouded by your extreme bias.

    emc2wife,

    Hey, I like your gravatar. Spiffy. :)

    “It seems to be more linked to socio-economic status moreso than race in southern CA.”

    It’s linked to socioeconomic status in general. Generally, the higher one’s socioeconomic status becomes, the more likely they are to interracially date; this is a strong correlation.

    Guess how socioeconomic status breaks down by race?…This is why I can’t repeat enough to some people that you can’t look at raw numbers without context.

    “For friendships, it is not even thought twice about but as soon as someone is dating another race (especially in the black realm), it becomes a huge interest to all around.”

    Sounds like my hometown! Friends: fine, dating: what?

  13. Well even if all of the black women in the United States married a white man there would still be more white men marrying white women. Those numbers are a poor representation of whether or not white men would be with a black woman. What is the ratio of marriages between white/black to total marriages involving a white man and a woman? How do these statistics compare to the whites and blacks as a percentage of the entire population? Do these numbers trend up or down? How do they also compare to the number of white marrying other racial groups besides black?

  14. Ann,

    “Of course SOME white men like black women. I think people should stop asking that question.”

    People will continue to ask it, if people keep claiming they don’t.

    “In the end, the only relationships between BW and WM that are important to me are the marital ones and that number is still very low and I expect it to remain low for the foreseeable future.”

    Actually the number of white men and black women marrying has seen the largest increase of any interracial marriage. I’ll find the data later, but I just want to skim the comments quickly.

    “As much as I hate to admit it, most WM are only looking for a sexual relationship with BW.”

    …In your experience/opinion.

    In my experience, no. I know a lot of black women seriously dating or married to white men. Majority of regular commenters here fit into that group.

  15. alfie,

    1. Please stop sending in duplicate comments/comments including essentially the same information. Press “Post Comment” once, and if a new page loads and your comment is held for moderation, wait. When I’m notified that a comment is waiting approval, I’ll publish it.

    2. Please use proper English so your comment is easily read — this is in the Guidelines. Your comments have been edited to reflect that. If English is not your first language and you have trouble with it, let me know.

    3. Please address the post. Presenting numbers is fine, but we’ve seen them already. If you’re going to continue to simply copy and paste the same numbers over and over, without commenting on the thoughts of the post, your comments will not be accepted.

  16. no the bw wm saw a reduction.
    The biggest of all ir.
    Numbers

    1980 4 5000
    2008 .. 168000
    2009 . 196000
    2010 168000

    From 1980 to 2010 -a 20 year period -
    The amount went up by 123000 a 373%
    Increase,the problem is the first number
    45000 was small hence the final number
    168000 is small.
    The smallest of wm choices .
    Key
    100 mill wm
    22 mill bw
    So the number is small compared to the demographs.

    Very important
    There r more bw than asians in usa but wm
    Marries them at a rate of almost 4 times
    That of blacks.

    2010
    Blk wives 168000
    .Asian wives 529,000

    A rate of 3.15 .
    Even tho more bw

  17. Poor Alfie.
    I used to go out a lot with some Asian and white female work colleagues. Though you see more Asian female / white male couples here and the reserved Swiss surely feel more comfortable with their “own”, guess who gets approached the most?.

    @ Alee, is this post only referencing the USofA?. Because Europe generally is open to all that turns the head.

    @ Ann, I can only surmise the reason this “movement” you mentioned is afoot, is because of persons like Alfie, who loves to spout out statistics to enlarge a misplaced ego.

    @ Froggie, you’re soo right. Haven’t met a white man yet who didn’t dig me. And trust, I dig them right back!.

  18. Alfie, to your comments,

    “the stats dont give answers but they reflect truth n reality.”

    This makes little sense. If they don’t have answers, then they don’t have truth.

    “50 million white wives /168000 black wives
    thats 250 to 1 and a percentage of 0.05%-i.e. wm gives 0.05%
    thats not plenty love”

    So wow, most white men are married to white women? Shocking, really. I had no idea. : /

    …Did you read the post? Did you finish basic math? I can only assume not, on both counts.

    As I mentioned in the post — those numbers are not adjusted for percent in the population. If white women are a greater percentage of the population, which they are, of course the absolute numbers of them married –to anyone– is going to be higher than that of black women.

    Furthermore, every racial group in the U.S. has majority of its members intramarried, e.g. most black men are married to black women, Native men to Native women. So what exactly you think you’re proving with those numbers, I have no idea.

    “ms alee

    You stated that you wanted to know the trend over the last five years.”

    …No, I didn’t state that; I know what the trend over the last fifty years has been. Sherry, however, mentioned that in her comment…Is English your first language? I’m seriously asking.

    “Between 2009 and 2010 there was a big drop of about 28000 white men black woman marriages.
    The biggest of all IR reductions.”

    Cherrypicking stats and information.

    According to a fairly recent study, overall, Black women/White men are the least likely of all pairings to divorce. So as a general trend, the pairing is the most stable.

  19. Dear foosrock, i am a black man living in london, so I know how it is over here.
    No need for poor alfie as I do quite fine.
    We are speaking about the usa and I am going
    According to the facts and stats.

    Ms alee ,english is my first and only language.
    Sorry about that.

  20. @Ann,

    “Does it really make a practical difference?”

    Yes, it makes a difference. Because one is set in stone, and the other is not. One can be changed, the other can not.

    Even people who are born and raised in predominantly black countries often prefer lighter skin, particularly in women. White dominance/oppression is often blamed”

    That makes sense given that I read a study which found that Africans in the city show this preference/colorism more than those who live in the rural/village area. Suggesting it would have to do with their environment/socialization than innate preferences.

    “i believe that most men are hardwired to prefer lighter skinned women, soft/longer hair and less extreme facial features”

    And black women are the opposite of this?

    On average, white women are darker than white men. Slightly, but darker, according one survey. And the popularity of tanning among lighter populations would suggest that darker skin is considered beautiful by many. What are “extreme” features is subjective but I see extreme features in every racial group.

    “I personally believe that preferences for beauty are innate. I don’t see how it is possible to socialize someone to like or hate someone’s facial features.”

    It is absolutely possible to socialize people in general towards a certain idea of overall beauty.

    Countless studies show how popular notions of beauty have changed drastically in the past century alone. For example, a lower waist-hip ratio is now considered more beautiful than it was in the early 1900s. Fuller lips are more popular than they ever were, and cosmetic surgery trends reflect that.

    “There is a movement afoot whose purpose seems to be to prove that white men find BW just as (or more) attractive as non-black women and it is very embarrassing to me as a BW.’

    Where is this movement taking place?

    I, personally, am embarrassed for people of black ancestry who take every chance to present the idea that blacks or blackness is unattractive. Sometimes it’s about feeling superior to other blacks, most of the time it’s about a general sense of inferiority.

  21. foosrock,

    “@ Alee, is this post only referencing the USofA?. Because Europe generally is open to all that turns the head.”

    Yes, the post is only addressing the U.S. and the situation here.

  22. Alfie,

    “no the bw wm saw a reduction.
    The biggest of all ir.”

    They are the least likely to divorce, this is not my opinion:

    http://aloftyexistence.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/interracial-marriage-and-divorce-the-study/

    This was also in the Wikipedia page you picked your data from.

    “From 1980 to 2010 -a 20 year period -
    The amount went up by 123000 a 373% increase”

    Sorry, but a 373 percent increase in 20 years is hardly chicken scrap. And of course we have to look at percentages rather than absolute numbers, for reasons I mentioned above.

    “The smallest of wm choices.”

    You say “white men choice” as if women don’t have any say who marries them.

    Would it surprise you to know that some black women are not exactly clawing each other’s eyes out to marry white men, and that might affect the numbers?

    Would it surprise you to know that this is reflected in studies and surveys?

    Or do you think that it’s only up to men to choose whoever they want to marry and the woman solemnly obliges?

    “Dear foosrock, i am a black man living in london, so I know how it is over here.
    No need for poor alfie as I do quite fine.
    We are speaking about the usa and I am going
    According to the facts and stats.”

    Now we see what the problem is. You’re a black man in London.

    You don’t live in the U.S. — you don’t understand the context. Hence you’re harping on Asian women/white men when:

    (1) Asian women are of a higher socioeconomic status. Like I mentioned, SE status is strongly correlated with interracial marriage
    (2) Not so long ago Asian women were married to white men in miniscule numbers, suggesting the current numbers aren’t reflective of innate preferences
    (3) Asian women have seen a huge drop in their marriage to white men in recent years
    (4) White men’s marriage to Asian woman doesn’t come with nearly the same consequences.
    (5) Have a completely different history in the U.S.

    In other words, many of the things I wrote in the post above. Which you haven’t read and/or digested.

    Plus, Excuse me if I say so but, as a black man, you’d have a lot of reasons to want black women and white men not to intermarry. You’re checking this thread so frequently/multiple comments would also suggest that.

  23. It is a little counter intuitive, but on average Asian women earn almost as much as white men. They earn 39k while white men earn 44k. People often think that whites are at the top of the economic ladder, but right now Asians actually are doing better. The average salary is 40k to 45k.

  24. Not to be an ass, but whites growing up in black communities and liking lighter skin is hardly a proof towards nature – in fact, it’s pure nurture if you ask me, because light skin is often hailed as a beauty ideal in black communities.

    When it comes to white men, many white men who like black women prefer dark skinned black women, and I also believe it goes both ways – I’ve seen many black women who are into white men to like very light white men: blonde, blue eyes, pale skin, etc. I think it’s part due to the fact that these people seem “more authentic” and a better representative of their race when it comes to phenotype. Like, if you are attracted to light skin, you will probably be more attracted to a pale white guy than a Mediterranean.

    No idea about the US statistics, but I must say I find the percentage of IR marriages (of all kinds) to be pretty low, and it can be a sign of attitudes people have towards marrying someone of a different race. As a comparison, in former Yugoslavia, ethnically mixed marriages were more common: 25% and up (depending on the region). It’s one of the reasons why the war, when broke, was truly a civil war that hurt families. Because most people had close family members of a different ethnicity, or they are mixed themselves or were married to someone of a different ethnic group. I virtually don’t know anyone who didn’t have any family members of a different ethnic group (and we are very close to our extended families, we consider our cousins brothers and sisters, so that’s a lot of people).

    But to bring the conversation back on track, “liking group X” and “marrying group X” is not the same thing. Whoever thinks that IR marriages between black women and white men (or any other group) are down to liking is naive. I think this data might show that there are still prejudices about marrying IR, but it has nothing to do with liking. I think people are conformists. It may seem like an oversimplification, but I do think low numbers may be the result of the fact it’s obviously not that common to see these pairings; they are not normalized in media, films, dating columns, etc. I know it sounds weird, but more than people’s individual racism it’s often more due to the fact that nobody told people from these groups to seriously consider each other as marriage material.

    I don’t think white men are interested in black women for sex only, but maybe people from both groups still see this type of IR relationships as something you do when you’re younger, but when it comes to marriage, you are expected to find a white girl/black guy to marry within your own race.

  25. Yes, poor Alfie indeed.
    @Nko, thought Alfie was a black man/Asian woman. They seem to be the most adamant on such threads. Think they have inferiority complexes and are trying to build themselves up by these dumb surveys to prove their superiority, instead of actually enjoying their perceived “advantage in pickings”, so to speak. LOL!.

    @ Mira, well thought out comment. Me loves.

  26. Nkosazana,

    @your comment to Froggie: I’m darker than he is! But yes, he might be exaggerating — just a tad. He may think some dark-skinned women are beautiful, but a woman doesn’t have to be dark-skinned or even darker than him for him to find her attractive.

    “I almost believed that he was African..have you seen african commonwealth facebook Alee? The short hand is terrible.”

    LOL, no. But I know what you mean; I’ve seen the shorthand/internetspeak.

  27. emc2wife, thanks for the link.

    Mira,

    “But to bring the conversation back on track, “liking group X” and “marrying group X” is not the same thing. Whoever thinks that IR marriages between black women and white men (or any other group) are down to liking is naive.”

    Lol, someone got the point of the post!

    I agree with this statement. Boiling interracial marriage down to attraction is just much too simplistic. There are so many factors that go into determining whether someone will marry another person or not. H. L. Mencken said it succinctly: ~For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.~

    “I think people are conformists. It may seem like an oversimplification”

    “Conform” is probably a strong word, but I would say most people do take their cues on what to do, say, and how to be from their surroundings, their culture, and the people around them. Interracial marriage trends are probably a perfect example of this if you look at their history over time.

  28. @Alfie,

    Well, it didn’t take long for you to show your true bigoted colors, now did it?

    Overt racism is not allowed on this blog. And like I said, please stop posting the same stats over and over again. Otherwise your comments will be considered a source of spam.

  29. I do think personal racism and that crap may be at work in some cases. However, I think in many cases may be about the overall “vibe” that it’s simply not something that you do. It’s because these marriages are still not normalized, so to speak, so neither group treats them as a realistic option.

    IR marriages are not the only thing that work this way. Take, for example, marriages between older women and younger men. Some would say they are relatively rare because there’s no attraction. Or that sexism and established gender norms are at work. Or that it’s impractical. But I do believe that in many cases, women simply don’t consider this option because the overall “vibe” is that it’s simply not something you do. Up until recently, these couplings rarely existed even for casual dating. Then cougars appeared, first as a pejorative term but they are getting more and more normalized these days. A few celebrity marriages later, it suddenly seems like a realistic option you may want to consider.

  30. Alee, it’s about spoiled men and Alfie is a typical black man who thinks he owns every black woman. It’s the reason they can get away with cheating and whatnot all over the world. They try that with other women and look at the divorce rate. They can barely keep any woman (Black men’s divorce rates) unless she’s an african mule who have been grown up and groomed to accept cheating and treat their man as gods.

    I rather keep it like this, low number stable BW-WM couples with loving family and not so many with them than WW-BM who almost never last. Seriously I don’t know ONE old couple here in Sweden, well maybe ONE and that’s a ‘celeb’. But I know plenty of old BW-WM couples. Several of them American women.

  31. Mira,

    “I do think personal racism and that crap may be at work in some cases. However, I think in many cases may be about the overall “vibe” that it’s simply not something that you do.”

    I agree. It doesn’t have to be about racism (although it can be). It’s just that, due to many factors, many white men and black women don’t view each other as potential partners.

    “IR marriages are not the only thing that work this way. Take, for example, marriages between older women and younger men.”

    Interesting comparison. Although I admit I was looking at this celeb couple the other day and I thought she looked like his mother. That’s probably because the guy in question was literally pretty young at the time barely 18.

  32. Nkosazana,

    “I rather keep it like this, low number stable BW-WM couples with loving family and not so many with them”

    Out of the two, I’d choose quality over quantity too. I’ve looked at dozens upon dozens off articles and studies on interracial marriage and it does seem like when black women and white men get together they tend to stick together. That’s what really matters or “shows love” as our dear friend Alfie would say.

  33. Interesting comparison. Although I admit I was looking at this celeb couple the other day and I thought she looked like his mother.

    Aaron Johnson? I believe they are married and have 2 kids. She was born in late 60s and he was born in 1990.

    I admit, it does look… strange. But not because the woman is older. It would seem even more weird to me if she was the younger one. I suppose it’s because I could never imagine myself with someone who is much older (or that much younger). Though in whole honesty, if I had to choose 10 years older or 10 years younger, I’d definitely choose 10 years younger. (I’d rather have a boy toy than a sugar daddy. Hahaha).

    Um. Where was I? Yes, the age difference may not be a good comparison, but I think it is the same case of something that’s not seen as socially acceptable, so many people don’t even consider it. Even if the age difference is more socially acceptable, for example, a 5 years older woman. I remember when I was about 18 and a friend’s parents once asked how much older my bf was. As if it was assumed that he was older. When I replied: “he’s a couple of months younger” they all had those awkward looks on their faces. True, this was a rural part o my country and people there are more towards this whole “a guy has to be older” (nobody thought it was strange in my city) but still. My father was 4 years older than my mother. My grandfather was 7 years older than my grandmother.

    I am sure this is not the same as with IR marriages, but I bet there is a similar “nobody told us this was a valid option” mechanism.

  34. Yes, Aaron Johnson…how did you know? Well I guess there aren’t many guys who get married that young to women more than two decades older than them.

    Yes, I believe there are similar mechanisms at play although IR marriage has an extra layer of complications due to the U.S.’ historical and current relationship with race.

  35. Funnily enough, a friend mentioned him yesterday. I had no idea who he was. We talked about Robert Sheehan, how he dated a woman in her 30s (and with a kid) when he was about 20 and she mentioned Aaron Johnson. I still know nothing about the guy except that he’s married to a 20+ older woman and that he has 2 kids with her.

  36. “As much as I hate to admit it, most WM are only looking for a sexual relationship with BW.”

    Am, from the statistics of out of wedlock children and low marriage rates amongst blacks, I’d stay this proves more that black men ONLY want sex from black women, no?. I mean, if we’re looking at statistics.

  37. no you are wrong. we black men are the only one to marry black women. previously we looked at the white man marriage table but take a look bw and bm marriage table and you will see that we are the only ones to marry bw.

    bw marriage table. 2010
    black husbands 4,000,000
    white husbands 168,000
    other husbands 37000
    asian husbands 9000

    in addition in 2008 92% of the bw rings came from bm. if you take away the bm out of this table socially the bw is dead.
    I agree that the bm bw marriage rate is low compared to 30 years ago however without our rings she would be nowhere.wm has only provided 168 k which is paltry and other husbands and asian husbands are so small that they dont worth mentioning.
    Minus the 4 million bm bw and u would have 200k marriages for black women [her population is 22 million ].
    and yes stats show that the wm only is interested in bw for sex. three studies were done and three questions were asked :

    1.do you find bw attractive – 90% no
    2.are you interested in marrying her -90% no
    3.will you have sex with her – 90% yes.
    there is a lot of dating and sex between wm, bw but no marriages.

  38. Eliss,

    “Ha @ this information. Now if you will excuse me, I (an African American woman) am going to bed with my husband (an Italian American man).”

    Lol, how lovely to see you. Tell your hubby I said hi (and keep his stubble more often!) :)

  39. foosrock,

    “from the statistics of out of wedlock children and low marriage rates amongst blacks, I’d stay this proves more that black men ONLY want sex from black women, no?. I mean, if we’re looking at statistics.”

    73 percent is a high amount. I wonder if the percentage of black women with OOW children fathered by white men is as high. Somehow I truly doubt it.

    alfie,

    Link to the full versions of those three studies you mentioned or at least an abstract where those stats are shown. I’ve never seen them and I very much doubt they exist.

    Also, again, you’re not using proper grammar. Please don’t use “r” and “u” in place of the words, and at least attempt to spell words correctly. It gets tiresome editing your comments.

    “if you take away the bm out of this table socially the bw is dead.
    I agree that the bm bw marraige rate is low compared to 30 years ago however without our rings she would be nowhere.”

    Responding to you seems to be a dead-end but I will say that comments like these make it very clear that you’re probably the type that Nkosazana mentioned. They show the kind of mindset I discussed in the original post so I’ll leave them up for posterity.

  40. Alee, an earlier commenter mentioned that “there’s a movement to prove that white men like black women”, but everytime I see a post like this one, I see more of a “movement to prove the opposite” and interestingly, by non-white men. I wonder why?. Perhaps, Alfie would like to answer that question?.

  41. As an “exotic” (and I hope that’s not an insensitive term) black woman, I get a lot of attention from white men. I’m married to a Ghanian man and in many ways, I represent an exotic woman to him also. From my experience, I have noticed that when white men are drawn to black women, it’s usually because they represent one of two people: 1) they are a black woman with primarily white features (smaller body frame, larger breast, longer/straighter hair) or 2) a black woman with a fro, African-inspired style. That’s what I’ve observed and I hope that this was not offensive. I’m interested to know your feedback :)

  42. foosrock,

    Nope, apparently Alfie doesn’t want to answer that question.

    He doesn’t want to reply to my comment either, asking for those “studies” he mentioned above…Hmmm, maybe because they don’t exist? Again, it illustrates my point that people put in a lot of effort to push this idea that white men don’t like black women, even going so far as falsifying data. It’s sad, really.

  43. lhj,

    I hesitate to point to any particular black women that white men might be attracted to. The only thing I could possibly agree on is body size (not necessarily frame). In a way any black woman could be seen as exotic, since she differs from the average woman that surrounds most white men.

  44. One thing that I noticed wasn’t mentioned was that I don’t think white men usually assume that black women are attracted to them, so many white men don’t even pursue black women. It’s just something that wouldn’t occur to them.

  45. Hi Mike,

    You’re absolutely right: I’ve mentioned that in other posts and comments. I think that applies to both sides of the equation.

  46. Mike, that’s my impression too, so hence, BECAUSE I (and many black women I know in Switzerland) let my preference be known, make myself available to my preference by flirting outrageously and without some ancient chip on the shoulder ANGST, I’m pursued by young, white, yummy guys, and trust, I’m nearing retirement(Alee wouldn’t agree;-), look ways younger(the power of dark skin, good genes and a love for the outdoors and exercise). So, whatevs, to BS studies.

    So, Alee, if you come to visit and you’re not married to Froggie, KNOW, that you will not return…..unscathed!.

  47. Yes as a beautiful Black woman, I have received attention from White males. Honestly, many White males are attracted to Black females but most White American men are afraid to ask a Black woman out or even date and marry them. And the others aren’t attracted to Black women or even like them. That is my reasoning from my observations and statistics.

    Honestly I prefer my own Black men but I am open to dating White males. But at the end of the day, nothing is better than tall, dark(dark brown skin) and handsome.

  48. I’m a white guy. I’m married to a black woman. We’ve been married almost 10 years. For me, race isn’t important. I don’t see my wife as a black woman; I just see her as a woman – my woman. I really don’t think about it and neither does she. It does’t occur to us that we’re still outside the mainstream or not a “normal” couple. We really don’t think about being an interracial couple until someone brings it to our attention, then I look at her and think “oh yeah, that’s right; you’re black!” LOL. The color of our skin seems to be way more important to other people than it is to us.

    I think way too many people focus on skin color. If we truly were all equal and we were all unprejudiced, then this wouldn’t even be a topic for discussion in this day and age. But, the fact that we’re still debating this just shows that people have a long way to go in living with and loving their fellow man.

  49. Some Guy,

    Congratulations on your decade of marriage. :)

    And I see your point. However, if you live in the United States, the likelihood that you don’t recognize race and how it operates in our society is very slim. Unless you live in a bubble where everyone is open-minded and never cares about race. But, growing up, especially as a non-white person you’re likely to come across issues involving race at some point or another.

  50. Alee, I agree – it would just be nice if it didn’t matter. Imagine if it didn’t, and we were all just “people”. I try to raise my daughter to believe just that. Whenever she fills out a form at school that asks for her race, I just tell her to write in “human”. She does it, too! :)

  51. Some Guy,

    Yes, it would be nice, but despite my optimism I don’t foresee it in the near future.

    I’ve heard about the “human” race — a cool group of people, they say. ;)

  52. I’m white. I’ve only been in two mixed relationships…BUT…those girls were half white and half mexican. So I’m not sure if that really counts or not.

    If I date a black girl they have to have a certain look to them. I’m particularly fond of black women who are mixed. Mostly black/asian (or blasian) mix is what I like the most. (I guess because anything mixed with asian is usually a good mix) That mix tends to produce women who are very thin and petitie, and that’s what I look for in women. Small, thin and cute.

    But, black black women…I can’t say I’m really attracted that much.

    -Preference

  53. Oh, sorry, there seems to be confusion regarding this thread. For some reason, every other day some white guy or other leaves a comment about whether he does/doesn’t like black women.

    That wasn’t actually what this post was about.

    I couldn’t care less what a specific white guy likes. Asking people what they like racially is always an utter failure because people think of races in stereotypes.

    This was more a brainstorming/critical thinking thread.

    So for the next guy who reads this and wants to leave such a comment: save it. Unless you’d also like to comment on the contents of the post. I’ll add that to the post for future reference.

    However, slash, I’m bored so I’ll respond to your comment.

    “I’ve only been in two mixed relationships…BUT…those girls were half white and half mexican. So I’m not sure if that really counts or not.”

    You’re in America…they’re black.

    “That mix tends to produce women who are very thin and petite”

    This isn’t actually true. I know several people of this mix and they’re all sizes. Tall, short, thin, plump.

    “But, black black women…”

    Yeah, and what is a “black black” woman?

    I find your username ironic since Slash is the product of a marriage between a black woman and white man.

    “-Preference”

    Everyone likes the word “preference” until it’s their group not being preferred.

  54. “Preference” is an interesting word. In the end, “preference” all boils down to finding that one special person that you want to be with more than anyone else on the planet. When you find that person, nothing else matters. Your ultimate preference has then been met.

  55. I should get husband in here to say that he likes black women. Just to join the club. Though he doesen’t really get ‘my silly little blogs’. Besides if i needed random white guys affirming that i’m pretty i should just start commenting on aftonbladet again (I stopped because they filled up my old facebook accounts email).

  56. Oh yeah guess what my husbands cusin did saturday evening. Him, me and a friend was suppose to see Awilo Longomba, I couldn’t go for obvious reasons. Anyway protip for anyone wanting to met an african woman. Bring an african woman as your wing woman. Being the only cute and goofy white guy she had young tittering girls ask her about him. He was apparantly occupied with an Zambian woman for the rest of the evening lucky boy, ofcourse South African women are the prettiest in africa but Zambian are well known for their beauty. So no excuses for white guys who wants to meet a black woman atleast in europe.

    Btw Alee, do you guys in america have real african clubs, that plays real african music and not what americans think is african. Stupid pads are worthless to write with.

  57. I think you should do a counter post: “Black Women Don’t Like White Men, Says Who?. A First Look”. Because while I too as a black woman have a preference, there are many many many many many many many white guys I would never touch, farless look at.

  58. Nkosazana,

    “I should get husband in here to say that he likes black women. Just to join the club.”

    Lol. I might be moved to make an exception for him, but probably not. :)

    “Btw Alee, do you guys in america have real african clubs, that plays real african music and not what americans think is african.”

    Yes, since there are people who moved here as adults. Many places where there are several people of a certain ethnic group, they’ll have parties and events of their own.

  59. foosrock,

    “I think you should do a counter post: “Black Women Don’t Like White Men, Says Who?. A First Look”.’

    Ha, sounds interesting. There is mutual confusion.

    “Because while I too as a black woman have a preference, there are many many many many many many many white guys I would never touch, farless look at.”

    Not saying any names right? ;)

    I agree though.

  60. It’s sad that most of the kids that grows up in America looses their cultural heritage and become one in the mass that is Black america.

    I can totally imagine an african club run by Americans. There’s tons of Dashiki wearing fools playing drums chanting I’m black y’all, I’m black y’all, I’m blackity blackity black y’all. Bunch of sisters standing in the corner but the black men are all with west african print wearing (chubby) white women. All with jungle sounds playing in the background for some reason.

  61. White people suck. In my experience white people are some of the most terrible human beings, and I’m using that word loosely. I’m referring to human and not terrible.

  62. I’m not the one with a problem, white people are the ones with the problem. I just get to be lucky enough to have a front row seat in seeing how stupid, petty, ignorant and just plain shitty they can be.

  63. Hmm. That’s some liberal bull as Bill Maher said last episode Froggie, I could post plenty of news article of so-call people of colour collectively acting cray-cray and barely human. American’s tend to think that people of so-called colour are inherently good.

  64. I was speaking half in jest and made no claim about the inherent goodness of people of any other color besides cream-beige. I was solely speaking from first hand observation how the whites can act rather terribly towards others.

  65. Froggie,

    I know where you’re coming from, but let’s not blame everyone for the faults of some.

    You don’t want to create or perpetuate this notion that white people have a greater tendency to be cruel. You wouldn’t want someone to assume that about you and/or your family, would you? Everyone should be judged on a case by case basis.

  66. Well I wouldn’t really care about what people think. Ok, so how about this. 2 in 10 white people totally suck.

  67. Ann, first of all black women actually have softer facial features….who taught you that white women have softer features? they really do not. White ppls noses are extreme and beak like. they have over exaggerated very thin lips which are not considered feminine at all. You have African from the congo and then you have African American. Black women in Africa mostly from the congo look very different than black women in America. So please correct yourself, black women have way softer features than white women, especially black american women who have more medium size perfect features, with a softer design. Your noses are beak like and your bodies are generally flat, you may generally have longer softer silkier hair, but your facial features are too severe and cold lacking warmth and actual shape, black american women are not too broad nosed or beak nosed most of us are mixed between several different races. And African tribes. Also lighter skin is not preferred, or else why are white women tanning to appear more exotic? Women of color have beautiful skin, white women have bad skin. It just looks terrible in its natural state. I rather be my color than white any day. I look good in shorts and mini skirts because my legs have curves and color. Sorry but mixed and black american puerto rican and dominican, women put white women to shame physically? Are you kidding. Go to the dominican republic or Ethiopia or new york, please you wont see women more beautiful when was the last time u saw a white woman with a brazilian ass and tan?

  68. One more point, please don’t use models to represent white women. White,models get lip implants, tan and fix their noses. Known fact most white people do not have high cheekbones. Or very thick hair. So don’t use people on tv who are white because they simply do not represent what normal average white ppl look kike. White women on tv and magazines get picked because their features appear more exotic than a white american’s.and plus it is all plastic. So stop watching so much tv folks it does not represent reality.

  69. Delores,

    Ann is not white, she’s black and Indian. Also, there is no need to put down white women to uplift black women. Features are what they are; a person could have sharp features, soft features, etc and still be beautiful. Or not so beautiful. It depends on how everything fits together. There are extremes in every race, but most people tend toward the middle anyway.

  70. Personally, I prefer people who fit my personal preferences. Though, that is solely a personal opinion and people who hold their own personal opinion may not share those personal preferences. If you prefer to have preferences that are limited to solely ASIANS AND LATINOS that is your personal right as an individual human entity and I feel as if every individual should be entitled to their own personal preferences. Personal preferences of an individual will usually reflect who that individual is as a human person. Persons will usually have a personality that is reflected in their individualistic personal preferences.

  71. People are interpreting this stuff all wrong. White men run away from a lot of black women because they are TOO attractive and have some kind of weird power over us that we are trying to get away from. The old joke about pretty white women being the black man’s kryptonite becomes quite literal when you switch the colors for the genders in that statement and specifically mention the black woman is dark skinned.

    Black women like Rutina Wesley can seduce any white man in the world quite easily, and of course she actually is married to a white guy because she was too attractive for him to turn down.

  72. I am married to a white guy and we have a beautiful son together. I think that a lot more white guys are branching out to black girls. You cannot help who you are attracted to; it is just how nature works. I say give someone a chance… you never know!

  73. ‘man’s choice’, eh what? maybe black women don’t like white men, why is it the men that are supposedly doing all the choosing here?

  74. I know more white guys that are willing to date outside their race then black woman.

  75. Hi Darren,

    Being open to dating outside your race doesn’t necessarily translate to being open to dating all races. Also, IME the percentage is about equal.

  76. What study or survey says white women are darker than white men? I have heard the opposite, that a study revealed that men on average are darker than women in their own populations.

  77. @delores tan skin is popular HERE because it is always advertised and people are fed the lie that tan is better when in truth natural skin color is always best. White women can look beautiful with their natural white/peach/beige skin colors and they can have good skin. In Asia, lighter skin is preferred and they use umbrellas to stay away from the sun and use whitening creams. Different society and culture.

  78. As a European I was reading your USA Census.
    According to USA Census: Hispanic is not consider a race( the same as in Europe).
    10% of white marry outside their race and they marry the following:
    43% of white marry Hispanic
    14% of whites marry Asians( As same as in Europe it includes countries from Asia.Asians are consider Indians,Armenians,Persians,Chinese,Koreans and others countries).South and East Asians.
    11.9% marry Blacks.Only one increasing are Blacks women and white men.
    Asians are the ones decreasing.
    Here in Europe black women and white men is very popular.More than the opposite.South Asians( Indians,Persians,Iran,Part of Russia and Turkey are popular mix.But East Asians( Chinese,Japanese,Koreans) not so popular.Mostly for guys who cannot get a women or are old. Latin Americans women are very popular Especially with our royalties families.Our Queen is from Argentina and several other are from Latin America countries.I am from Holland.
    I am seeing more black women with white men in the USA.As a white man I do not found East Asian women attractive.They are small and they have the body of a child.Black women can be attractive but they have higher standards.An East Asian women would marry ugly Joe or Joe the fat man or Joe the grampa as long as he is not East Asian.Black women prefer a better looking white men.
    Robert Thicke or Woody Allen
    Guess who is marry with the East Asian and who with the black?

  79. Kari,

    “What study or survey says white women are darker than white men? I have heard the opposite, that a study revealed that men on average are darker than women in their own populations.”

    I read the study a long time ago. It is true that black men are darker than black women but for whites its the opposite. I remembered that because it seemed like a neat fact.

    I will try to find the study later and add it here but I can’t make any guarantees since it was so long ago that I read it.

    “tan skin is popular HERE because it is always advertised and people are fed the lie that tan is better”

    It’s not only popular in the U.S., but in other countries as well. But I agree the trends vary.

    Gunther,

    Thanks for the info…I think. :)

  80. No, I don’t think it is the opposite. I tried looking everywhere for the study you mentioned and could not even find one source, but I did find the study that concluded men of ever race, including White, are darker than the women of that race/population.

    Women are lighter than men in all human populations.

    “They found that the skin of white women was 15.2 per cent lighter than the skin of white males while the skin of black women 11.1 per cent was lighter than the skin of black men.”

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/How-complexion-sparks-desire/Article1-282633.aspx
    http://www.omg-facts.com/Science/Women-Are-Lighter-Skinned-Than-Men-In-Al/51210

    About tanning, I meant it in the western parts of the world where it is a trend:)

    Thanks for taking the time to reply back.

  81. @ Darren, that’s a pity. Come to Europe. The black women who live here as expats would gobble you up and swallow too!. ;-)

    @ Gunther, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No man is “ugly”.

  82. Kari,

    I don’t understand why you’re trying to prove that the study doesn’t exist. It most certainly does; I didn’t just make it up and my memory tends to be notably good. The difference wasn’t a major one but it was there.

    …Oh, never mind; I found it…That didn’t take as long as I thought it would!

    It was done on people from Ireland, Poland, Italy, and Portugal, to account for the major areas of Europe, e.g. Eastern Europe, Western, etc:

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0048294

    “Interestingly, our analysis of variation in skin color in Europe demonstrates a consistent difference in skin color between the sexes. By the DermaSpectrometer M index measure, males are more lightly pigmented than females in each of the four European countries we studied. The same trend in M index was reported previously in a sample of European Americans [38]. Our results in populations of European ancestry contradict earlier anthropological studies that have concluded females are more lightly pigmented than males in most populations (reviewed in [2]). One potential reason for the conflicting results is the different instruments used. In early studies, which used the Evans Electric Limited (EEL) and Photovolt broad-spectrum spectrophotometers, skin pigmentation estimates may be confounded by the hemoglobin level to a greater extent than for the DermaSpectrometer used in the present study [46].”

  83. I was not trying to prove that this study doesn’t exist. I was just curious and really wanted to read more about this study, I had been searching on Google and getting no results. I enjoy reading about studies like these even though there are always new ones coming out and disproving each other with new technologies and methods. This study however didn’t measure skin color at all wavelengths of visible light. Previous researchers had studied the overall visual difference between male and female skin, which is due as much to differences in hemoglobin as to differences in melanin. Men are usually browner and ruddier than women even in White people. It is misleading, then, to state that the male subjects had lighter skin pigmentation since Hemoglobin too is a skin pigment. But hemoglobin was not measured in this study.

    It is just that it has been noted for the longest time that girls lose more melanin as they hit puberty. One explanation and concern I have for this particular study is perhaps underarm skin color is no longer a reliable measure of constitutive pigmentation. Removal of underarm hair has become common in recent years, especially among European women. This has led to concern about tan lines in the underarm region and a consequent desire for “full body tanning,” a trend practiced by many European women where the whole body is tanned, including underarms. While men tan outdoors where underarms are not exposed to sun as much.

    I enjoyed reading this study regardless.

  84. Again, Kari: what is your motivation for disregarding the evidence that white women are (ever so slightly) darker than white men? Do you associate light skin with femininity or dark skin with masculinity? To me it’s clear that you are uncomfortable with this idea and I think it makes for better discussion if we all just lay our motivations out on the table. In my view white people in general are light-skinned and this study doesn’t change that.

    “It is misleading, then, to state that the male subjects had lighter skin pigmentation since Hemoglobin too is a skin pigment. But hemoglobin was not measured in this study.”

    Hemoglobin is not a skin pigment.

    ‘ Removal of underarm hair has become common in recent years, especially among European women. This has led to concern about tan lines in the underarm region and a consequent desire for “full body tanning,” ‘

    I hope you don’t believe the researchers went about measuring the pigmentation of tanned areas. They chose the underarm precisely to avoid this. The researchers involved are highly regarded in their field and thorough; I’m sure they’d note this obvious source of error.

    No study is perfectly designed but as a researcher I think this one is pretty fair.

    ETA:

    Please, do not plagiarize from other sites. Do not. This is dishonest and it affects the blog negatively due to duplicate content. Also, it just makes you look like you can’t form your own arguments.

    So unless you are the author of this page:

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2012/11/are-women-changing-color.html

    Then don’t copy and paste paragraphs of their exact thoughts and present them as your own.

  85. Hemoglobin is one of the three pigments that control the colors of the skin. So technically, it is a skin pigment and does darken the skin. Melanin is not the only pigment that controls skin color.

    No research is perfect and I was pointing out the flaws of this one, nothing personal and no harm done. My skin color is actually dark (Cuban and Ecuadorian) so I am not trying to point out anything about feminine and masculine colors? I just don’t think underarms are a good way to measure skin tone in both sexes since women are more likely to use tanning beds and wear clothes that do,even my small amounts, see sunlight much more often. One example such as in Ireland, the people who do use tanning beds are “88% of those are women, and 20% are between the ages of 15 and 24 years” (Irish Examiner). You can find similar life styles in Italy and Poland, all throughout Europe really in regards to the younger generation girls.

    In regards to the plagiarism, I did not mean to plagiarize and get word for word. I thought her analysis was very good and intelligent. I forgot to put it in quotations by mistake. I will write her a sincere letter and apologize for my mistake.

    However, I can now see that my comments are giving the wrong impressions and are unwelcome here on your blog. I was not trying bring harm, only disagreeing with this research since they in fact did not take the underarms tanning into consideration. Underarms can tan in tanning beds.

  86. Seems as if white women are darker than their male counterparts. It seems to matter little if this is due to genetic or sociological differences.

  87. There are so many different studies claiming different things, honestly, nothing is 100% true and accurate. There are lots of White people on this Earth. There are White women who are naturally lighter than White men and White men naturally lighter than some White women. That goes without saying

    And it does matter if it is sociological since it is social problems and pressure that cause people (in this case usually younger girls) to change their outer appearance as opposed to genetics and staying more true to their own self without social influence/involvement.

  88. Kari,

    You’re simply not being forthright and yes, if you’re going to continue to be that way then your comments won’t be missed. And no, hemoglobin is not a skin pigment nor does it control skin color — are you a biologist? I’m guessing not… Hemoglobin may have an effect on the color we perceive, but so do many other things, such as UV light. Photons aren’t skin pigments (or are they?).

    You obviously want or believe the opposite of what that study indicates to be true. The question now is why, but I’m not going to dwell on that since it seems your only response is feigned misunderstanding that anyone could possibly think you’re being less than objective and completely honest.

    If you have anything else to add, do (unless it’s someone else’s ideas, then don’t). Otherwise that’s all I have to say about this subtopic.

  89. @froggie It is not sociological my nature since in the past it was the opposite. But trends or fads still affect self esteem issues of younger generations.

    @Alee Sarcasm aside…..No, I am not a biologist but I am studying biology to become a biologist. I have searched on the Internet and hemoglobin is said to be a skin pigment on numerous places. Since it does affect skin pigmentation.

    I do stand by my comments on this study and believe it is flawed since they did not even come up with the reasons why they came up with those conclusions…..which I find troublesome. And most of the participants were university students (meaning young) and not nation wide people taken at random, with different age groups. I can go on but I don’t think my ideas and comments are welcome here anyway so I will just leave it at that since there is no point in continuing. Let us just agree to disagree.

  90. Hemoglobin is a pigment inside of blood and therefor gives blood its color but does not give skin its natural color. Skin gets its color due to melanin and It does have an influence on the color that we perceive when looking at skin as blood runs under and through skin.
    Id say it isn’t a pigment in skin. One could remove blood from a persons body and skin would still be skin, unless I am mistaken. The skin color we see would change but that is only because the blood in the skin affecting the color would be gone.
    Another example of this effect is when someone has done a great amount of physical exertion their skin might be flushed with blood giving it a redder color, but once the blood returns to other parts of the body the color of the skin will return to normal.
    Please correct me if my understanding is wrong.

  91. What is natural color? Melanin for most White people is also not always natural since they obtain it through UV radiation. That is not always their natural skin. All I know is hemoglobin is one of the three pigments that can be found on the skin. Even without physical activity, it affects the skin’s pigment.

  92. It is my understanding that most people will have some amount of melanin naturally within their bodies. UV radiation can increase melanin in the skin not only in white people but in black people etc.
    I don’t see how it is not their natural skin. There is not a set color in your skin that is natural.
    So hemoglobin seems to be a pigment that affects skin color, but I wouldn’t say it is a skin pigment as it is a part of blood and is even what gives blood its color.
    So therefor hemoglobin makes blood red and red blood in skin gives skin a rosy color.

  93. Natural skin color is the one that stays that color without sun or bleaching creams, like when you stop going under the sun for long periods of time…. you go back to your normal natural color without the effect of environment.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15065897

    That site explains “In this report we present compelling evidence that deoxy-hemoglobin significantly contributes to the skin color appearance….Blood pooling, expressed as increased deoxy-hemoglobin, can contribute to what is visually perceived as pigmentation.”

  94. The real question should be why are people so obsessed with trying to be little black women? Get over the fact that we are here to stay. I don’t think the colour of your skin makes you ugly. Just stop find something to do with your time because black girls will continue to love ourselves and maintain our self esteem despite what you think.
    My message to anyone who don’t like black women don’t look at us. As a black woman I will continue to be myself regardless of it making you uncomfortable. Continue to appropriate my culture though.

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